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In July 1983 SAFE was organising a conference in Auckland to host Dr Robert Sharpe, Scientific Research Adviser for the National Anti-Vivisection Society, G.B. (remember these names) and Mr Donald Barnes, who was by this time the Director of the U.S. National Anti-Vivisection Society and who in October 1984 was a guest of SAFE in Auckland.

And soon there would be another name to add to the list, one which would be more instrumental in hindering the movement for abolition in New Zealand than any other single factor.

In top gear SAFE Committee member Adrienne (then Carlssen) returned to New Zealand in 1984 ecstatic from attending the Conference of the IAAPEA (International Association Against Painful Experiments on Animals, a side-shoot of the British National Anti-Vivisection Society and which Hans Ruesch describes as a lame duck) in Copenhagen. There she had met toxicologists, psychologists, bio-chemists, veterinary surgeons and others including a film actress who talked about how cruel vivisection must be stopped - when they have enough money in their various alternative kitties. True to their notoriety for neglecting to denounce vivisection because of the grievous harm it inflicts on human health by a criminally negligent and misleading method, the film actress, one Gretchen Wyler, an associate of Clive Hollands promotor of the shameful Animals (Scientific Procedures) Bill of 1986 is quoted in Hollands' SSPV Annual Pictorial Review of 1984 as addressing the meeting thus:

"Our regulationist strategies may not be dramatic, but in the long run we are a much greater threat to the status quo. Animal exploiters fear us much more than the strident abolitionists whose demands have never been taken seriously."

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